HAUNTING IRAQ NIGHTMARE

Thank you for posting this lesson, Mr. Schultz. Though some of us may find it in our hearts to forgive George W. Bush for trashing our Constitution, our heritage as a trusted democracy, and the Geneva Convention, we as Americans must never-never forget what we allowed to happen via our elected President. This is not a conservative vs. liberal concern, it is a concern for a man in the White House who personally allowed the U.S. to invade a sovereign nation, to torture prisoners, to lie repeatedly to Americans, and to put us in a horrible international malaise from which it will take generations to recover. God bless America, and let us hope there is forgiveness in the world for what we have done. A million of our excellent traits and accomplishments as a nation were destroyed by the likes of Bush and Cheney. Let us as Americans pledge to never allow it to happen again.

This is all true but what IF Iraq DOES become a major ally of ours in the Middle East? Will Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld then be hailed as forward looking by you guys? I think not! The historical legacy of it all will be written years from now. Just MAYBE we can harvest the ultimate goal of it all--PEACE!

Iraq a major ally of the U.S.? With friends and allies like that, why search for enemies to cause problems.
And which Iraq are you talking about, Gordy? The splintered Iraq? The Shiite Iraq that prevents the Kurds and Sunnis from their rights? The Iraq that still has not returned clean running water that was readily available with Saddam? The Iraq-Iran ally? The absolutely corrupt govt. in Baghdad? The Iraq that has a war with Turkey over Kurdistan? The bombed out Iraq, from U.S. and terrorist groups? The civil war Iraq? The Sunni-ostracized Iraq? The Iraqi govt. that blames the U.S. for everything? Which one, Gordy, which one do YOU choose? Bush handed this absolute mess over to Obama, and the bodies of thousands of dead Americans, hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis, U.S. vets who will never be fully whole mentally and physically? And what about the decimation of the U.S. budget by Bush, something we shall pass on to our children and grandchildren and great-grandkids?
What about that, Gordy? These are the prices we will pay for generations because of the stupidity and horror of Bush-Cheney and their service to the military industrial companies who don't give a darn about our military casualties, just making money off them.

Please, Gordy, get a clue. It is as though Mr. Schultz just put the entire spectrum of advanced mathematics in perspective and you ask what the sum of one plus one is. You may not know you are in over your head, but, dear man, here is a hint.
Thank you, Mr. Schultz, for once again commenting on the complexities of the Middle East in a coherent, clear way.

Do you mean the same Obama that just sent 30,000 troops to Afghanistan? The Obama that has quadrupled the national debt in 11 months? The Obama that can't even get his Democrat controlled administration and Congress to pass even ONE effective policy? The Obama who has surrounded himself with every corrupt politician from Chicago and only a couple private sector businessman. No wonder we have the disaster we presently have. The splintered Iraq was splintered long before we entered it. At least, now they have a fighting chance to pull it all together. Will they? Probably not for a long time. Yeah, that Bush/Cheney team, who suffered the fall of Enron, Tyco, Worldcom, the dot com bubble and 9/ll in a short year, and then cut taxes, causing a 52 straight month of economic growth, 4-5% unemployment 45000 stock market and no more attacks. We have had 3 attacks under Obama and this fool and his Attorney General want to read Miranda Rights and try them in a Civil court. You liberal loons don't have a leg to stand on and tonite we will hear more B.S. rhetoric about all he has done and he will say everything people want to hear, knowing he will never back it up. You all have been dupped by this articulate Socialist and you won't get it until the rest of the story comes out. Will Iraq survive? I'll put my money on people who want peace. Will Afghanistan survive? Not a chance! But thank you for the lessons of Iraq. I believe that scenario was also correct for Japan and Germany. If I am correct, they tend to be our allies today no thanks to the idiots who were against us getting involved in WW2. History sure does repeat itself.

I give Mr. O an A+ for his speech tonite. Unfortunately, he has Pelosi and Reid who are calling the shots and they are missing the target. In my heart, I believe Mr. O has in his heart, the good for all Americans. I say again, the people who surround him are the Progressives that are making it difficult for him. He did not move to the center and THAT was his big mistake. I truly hope that what he said about the Reps and Dems working TOGETHER on health bill will come true. Personally, I don't believe it will happen. It will take much more than a good speech. THANKFULLY, HE SUGGESTED REVISITING NUCLEAR ENERGY AND OIL AND GAS EXPLORATION. That which the Republicans have been calling for for 2 years. Those darn conservatives ARE making a difference. We will be pumping gas for 50-75 years and until that time that alternative energy is perfected we had better harvest that which we have on our own soil and water. THAT COMMENT WILL IMPROVE HIS RATINGS AND NOW WE WILL SEE IF THE DEMOCRATS, WITH THEIR MAJORITY, WILL FOLLOW HIS LEAD.

P.S. If you have kids in college, make sure they go into public service so they can get their tuition reduced or cut big time. What a joke! What government actually creates jobs? Mr. O slams the Supreme Court for pushing free speech? He was elected with millions of dollars from special interests and now he rips the S.C for making that possible for everyone? He is slicker than slick Willie. When I gave him an A+ it was for his delivery, not content, which will NEVER see the light of day. Just words and he is great at that.

Gordy, when you go on and on and on and on and on and simply never address the issues raised here, we wonder what do you think allows you to take up space on this planet? Thank the liberals who defend your rights even when you make a complete donkey of yourself. You never answer or respond to anything pertinent...never! Are you still supporting the overthrow of the Yemeni govt. so the Taliban and terrorists can take over...and against the desires of the U.S. and its allies? How unAmerican you are. Are still thinking that the U.S. should pound its chest about what we are doing to help in Haiti? How unAmerican, and how lacking in understanding what altruism is. Are you still supporting torture? How unAmerican! Do you still think we have the right to invade a sovereign nation? How totally unAmerican! With patriots like you damning America, who needs enemies? Please take you unAmerican, fascist tripe to the Pakistan-Afghani frontier where you will be warmly welcomed by the terrorists. You are their friend and advocate. Are you still supporting Bush and the GOP cutting veterans' benefits? A patriot??? Come on, join the United States of America, Gordy, and not the terrorists!

Silly Tom, you don't actually think Gordy is going to own up to his unAmerican and anti-American rants, do you? Of course anyone can simply refer back to what he ACTUALLY wrote here. He shouted against the Yemeni govt. at a time when the U.S. and its allies were trying to do the exact opposite and supporting the Yemeni govt. He wrote in opposition to the U.S. He wrote in defense of torture by the U.S. which is against everything the U.S. has stood for since the beginning. He wants America to become unAmerican.
He supported Bush's budget way back, when he was reducing the support of veterans benefits. UnAmerican. He thinks we will have an ally in Iraq -highly unlikely- though he fails to mention that we ILLEGALLY invaded a sovereign nation. UnAmerican historically and philosophically. He suggested America should wave a flag pointing out our helping people in great need in Haiti...how unAmerican can you get? Folks, not only read the obnoxious rantings of Gordy above, scroll back to the many prior comments when he exhibited the most unAmerican suggestions one can imagine. Of course he already has told us he gets his news from Limbaugh and Murdoch...but even then, his unAmerican statements are alarming.

UnAmerican? UnAmerican? You two absolutely must be dyslexic. I can only laugh when you make these comments. They are so irrational there is no need to reply because your intelligence and comprehensive level will make it impossible to comprehend. How sad! Your anger at our Democrat government and their completely failed agenda, is evident in your comments. How about your friend Chris Matthews saying "For an hour I forgot he was black." How does he keep his job? Oh, that's right, he is part of the Obama media. You guys must be related to Kanye West who said "George Bush doesn't care about black people...They're giving the Army permission to go down and shoot us." Reference New Orleans. And how about old Keith who said "Rupert Murdoch and FOX news are worse than Al Qaeda." Your comments and the comments of these two idiots are the full disclosure of your inept ability to make sound judgements. THAT, unfortunately for the liberals (progressives), is the beginning of the slow, certain fall over the cliff of governing for the left. They had their one year chance and everyone knew they would overreach and they have. According to Mr. O, nothing will change. He had the chance and he blew it. In reference to the veterans comment (as usual, uninformed) Bush said that veterans who served only 2 years instead of 20 should not receive the same overall compensation. Injury, however, was a whole new ballgame as he said they needed full coverage. Like working at a company for 2 years and getting retirement for 20. Get your facts right before you shoot your mouth off.

Must we go through this teaching course in kindergarten material with Gordy endlessly? He does not make reference to anything in the blog, anything that others challenge him about [lies, distortions, unAmerican statements over and over], and he absolutely has no clue about it. He just wants to make everything sound like it is liberal vs. conservative. Get a life, Gordy. At least we can thank him for at least partially admitting how Bush treated veterans in his budgets. Some of the vets organizations had to get on their knees for him to see things...Obama was far, far more open and understanding about the vets. But that is all beside the point. Read what Gordy writes and draw your own conclusions ...and sorry, like me, you have to go through all this crap with this guy.

All the words wasted above will not move anybody right or left politically. All that wasted effort could be applied to something that would truly change America for the better: COOPERATION! And please, don't insult me by writing that this side or that side is not cooperating...nobody is in Washington. A pox on both parties! Demand that your elected representatives in Washington step away from the groups that buy their votes, and vote for what is in the best interests of the United States of America.
We have kids dying in the Middle East so that corporate profiteers can make profits off the war. Shame on us for allowing this to happen! Get the money making profits away from our decisions about national defense. A contract for Oshkosh Truck or GE in Waukesha is not worth one death in our military. Defense? Yes! Based solely on profiteering? No!!! Let's cooperate politically and return America back to its one-time greatness and leadership for democracy in the world. Now we are just an over-stuffed Pentagon and home to military-related corporations. Shame on every one of us.

Once again Steven, the truth hurts! How about our President ripping the Supreme Court for allowing freedom of speech? He was all for it when he got $600 million for unions and millions more from lawyers in his campaign. Now the playing field is level and he can't tolerate it. And yes, you will have to endure my kindergarten material even more as I find it sad to think that you refuse to see anything not in agreement with you. And yes, there is a liberal and conservative split and all one has to do is read these comments. I am an Independent and will continue to rant on what is staring you in the face, unrecognizable to you. Do you not get that Obama's biggest hindrance is his own Democrat Congress? And now, botox Nancy is adding $300 billion to the health bill and says "We will pass it." She is as smart as a box of rocks and she and O are leading us over the cliff. You say cut the defense budget? Even the Democrats don't agree with that idea. P.S. Mr. O does not even know that getting foreign funds for for campaigns in the U.S. is illegal. The arrogance of this man and his ripping of the Supreme Court is the first time in history besides Roosevelt, another Progressive who extended the Great Depression by 7 years with his policies. Mr. O has managed to split his own Congress and THAT is dangerous. Panic has set in in Washington and the slow fuse is burning for this Socialist administration. Hang on for the ride. Democrats have just added $1.9 trillion to the defecit, which now is $14 trillion. You can forget about bashing Bush because this mess is Mr. O's. Every American now owes $45,000. At least those who are aborted, 45 million thus far, won't have to worry about it. God help us!

Newsflash! Mr. O is presently meeting with the Republican caucus and IT IS ON TELEVISION. Just maybe he has gotten the message. He still has a chance to redeem the best of this country but the only hope is to get rid of Pelosi/Reid, as I have said continually. Believe me, I am rooting for him but up to this point, NOT HIS POLICIES AND METHOD.

Gordy, you have lost all credibility. First the out-and-out bigotry you exhibited over and over and over. Then came the lies and distortions. Then came the unAmerican statements. Then came the lack of understanding about what altruism is. Etc. Now you have stooped even lower and had nothing to offer except the sexist comment about the Speaker of the House as "botox Nancy." Crude and far beyond.

I'm sure that Jester supported the USA coming to Kuwait's aid in Gulf War #1, after Saddam illegally invaded and pillaged Kuwait City, while raping and murdering innocent Kuwaiti's in his attempt to dominate the region. America failed to march to Baghdad then and as a result, Shiites were slaughtered, and thousands of Kurds were gassed with WMD by Saddam and Chemical Ali . Consider the 2003 Gulf War #2 invasion as a "finish the job" operation.
Judge Forgotten Man Verdict: JUSTIFIED. Case dismissed.

Oh, Gordy-Forgotten Man, how nice and cozy it is to present history in your own little dream world. But the real world deals in real happenings and developments.
If we were to follow your crazy reasoning, we would invade Germany or Italy everytime we didn't like their actions of programs, just as we did in WWII. Saddle up, big boy, we're ridin' out to take care of somemore Indians. Bring your rifle as we solve the immigrant problem by shooting Mexicans in the Rio Grande. And those darn Canadians should be set straight about universal health care...invade! And if the Arabs and Moslems don't like it, they can feel free to invade the U.S. anytime...after all, we invaded their nations illegally.
You are some hero, Forgotten Man. Where did you get all those medals? From a Boy Scount Tea Party?

Forgotten man, how dare you challenge the irrelevance of Steven and Kathy. No amount of facts and truths will change the delusional minds of those who only see one side of the equation. We just have to live with them and hope they progress to knowledge based comments rather than anger based comments. This might take some time however. Have faith.

Dear Gordy [whose manhood shows as he hides behind the aliases]: About your sexism, unAmericanism, support of the Yemeni terrorists, demented perspective on humanity, lack of understanding of altruistic actions, slipping in racism from time to time, supporting Bush's failure to properly support veterans' benefits, ad infinitum????? You are some character, Gordy-Forgotten [I like the ring to that name composite...keep using it].

Saddam and Chemical Ali have been hanged by the neck and the regions oil supply is more secure.

Envision peace through strength.

Thanks Mr. Schulz for your astute and well written blog. Some of the repub "ranters" who post comments show an astounding inability to remember even recent historical events. They seem to look at politics like a sporting event - cheering for their side to "win" no matter the cost in money, in morals, and in human lives.... In spite of the seeming inability of some people to learn anything, I'm glad you take the time to write your thought provoking blog and present facts about important issues we face as a nation.

Isn't it amazing how my first 3 lines of comment have been construed to make me a hater, bigot, liar, uninformed, a racist and whatever else demeans the comment. Stupid is as stupid does and some of you win the ultimate stupid award. Hopeless does not even explain your attitudes. I suggest you start getting on the side of the majority in this country and live for the future. We've had one year of a debacle that will take decades to correct. I hope I am wrong but it sure looks encouraging for people with common sense. They have even come to their senses over the terrorist trials in N.Y. It is amazing what one can learn from listening to reason, unlike some of the commenters on this blog. Never a challenge of the facts, just a demeaning of character. Such is the playbook of the liberal progressives. Aren't you all happy that the exposure of the truth is finally making progress? I know you won't see it that way but again, the truth hurts!

Today's Q & A that Gordy1 referred to was fascinating. It was a great forum for Obama. Despite some loaded questions and knee-jerk non-specific language from the GOP questioners he showed himself to have a fine analytical mind and answered all the questions with patience and clarity. It was truly impressive. He showed himself to be the grown up in the room and there were indications that there are people on the GOP side willing to work together with him rather than just call names and make digs. The continuing tragedy of Bush's crimes against Iraq stained our country, but I feel hopeful that we now have an intelligent, principled leader who might be able to get the intelligent members of the conservative base to see the value in working together for positive outcomes, and not just for America.

For goodness sake, Gordy, try to be a man and stop hiding behind this word or that word, and re-read the entire encyclopedia of hate, bigotry, lies, unAmericanisms, veteran bashing, distortions, lack of altruistic understanding, etc. that ALL of your comments have clearly shown. Stop hiding behind only some of your words, stop hiding behind aliases, and for goodness sake, stop making a complete fool of yourself. Folks, go back and read the horrible inhuman and anti-American comments of Gordy in past commentaries.
P.S. Thank you, libi, for bringing some intelligent and objective commentary to this excellent blog.

It is always such a joy to read the obnoxious comments of you people. I sure hope you have a lot of liberal intelligent friends because it is obvious that when intelligence and common sense were passed out, you were missing. I have to laugh every time you mention hate, bigotry, lies, unAmerican, veteran bashing. You have no idea how stupid you sound with your accusations. It is startling proof of your incompetence in seeing the world as it is. I know I am wasting my time with your level of intelligence but I just have to keep trying. Thus far, your judging of this writer is about as far from knowlegable as can be. I tolerate it because it is such a joy to see how misguided you are in your comments. I suspect that you will eventually see the light of truth and reality. Until then, just keep absorbing the news, watch Glenn Beck, the number 2 show in all of television, behind Oprah. O'Reilly is number 10. Oh yes, number 2. Does that mean that his actual common sense and knowledge of FACTS and history is hitting home? Or, you could just stay in the minority of liberals in this country and then complain when liberalism in Congress takes a nosedive this Fall. Or, you can just keep making lunatic comments about what is being written here and displaying to the blog world just how uninformed you are. Beck, 4 million viewers, Olbermann 800,000. Anything to learn from that?

Folks, Gordy can rant on all he wants. What sane commentators here have asked you to do is read his previous comments here. That's all. Judge for yourself. THAT is what he is hiding from: his own words. And he knows it! :-)

The key to uncovering all the sad, cruel, unAmerican statements made by Gordy, is to check in the right-hand column here, go back to previous blogs, read his inane and hate-filled, bigoted comments and then read them again carefully. Yes, apparently there are people who think this way and ape the right-wing nutcases. He likes to try and cover up his sick-o rantings with using different words. But it all goes back to the same old bigotry, the same old American bashing, the same old putting everybody he does not like in the same bucket, and though he says he is a loyal American he states things that are in the worst traditions of No-Nothings, McCarthyites, Birchers, America Firsters, KKKs, fascists, and hails today's versions of the hateful speech of Father Coughlin and George Wallace. You can't hide from your own sordid words, Gordy. I invite readers to simply look at what he writes. Muck. Judge for yourself.

Sorry to offend you but I only present what is the light of truth out there. How you twist it is your problem. I know the prognosis for EVER making you see the light is slim to ZERO. My only intent is to, just maybe, get you to come out of your horrendous club of ignorance and face the facts. It is asking too much I know but you can't blame me for trying. Although you seem to blame me for every comment that you want to distort to fit your twisted thoughts and illiterate comments. Kathy, I must admit you sound like a very frustrated middle age woman who is angry with her life as she sees the world caving in around her with this Congressional leadership. I feel sorry for you but at least I have tried to make a difference. That is all one can do for the betterment of all of us. Without a little course correction on your part you will continue to flow down that river of dishonest rhetoric that only leads to more dissatisfaction with your life. Sympathy personified is all I can offer. So you may as well keep your uncivil comments to yourself even though I know it is hard for someone like you who can't really debate the truth, but rather smudges, smears, ridicules and belittles my comments. Your cross to bear in this life is having to deal with people like me and millions of other folks who are finally seeing the results of progressive policies that have never worked in history and will never work now. Again, I hope I am wrong. Peace be with you in your struggles.

Just read what Gordy writes, Folks, here and in prior comments by him in previous blogs. Just read him.
Judge for yourself.